Comments on: Sorry Seth Godin. You’re wrong about Google! http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329 Hippo Internet Marketing Blog : Your Map to the Jungle of Internet Marketing by Hippo Internet Marketing Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: David Kyle http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1888 David Kyle Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:37:34 +0000 http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1888 I read it differently as well, Corey. I took it as he was just referring to seeing the comments made... not the position changes a user makes. I think the way Seth wrote it assumed one reading it already knows he is talking about those signed into Google... not the general searching public. Yes it could have been written better for the layman, but I think your reaction was a bit harsh. You're still in my cool book though :) David I read it differently as well, Corey. I took it as he was just referring to seeing the comments made… not the position changes a user makes. I think the way Seth wrote it assumed one reading it already knows he is talking about those signed into Google… not the general searching public. Yes it could have been written better for the layman, but I think your reaction was a bit harsh.

You’re still in my cool book though :)
David

]]> By: Bob The Teacher http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1886 Bob The Teacher Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:16:55 +0000 http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1886 I'm certainly a big fan of Seth's and this is the first time I've seen your blog, Corey. I'd have to say this semantic difference is ridiculous. In fact, Seth is correct if he said others WILL see the comments you post, because if you post a comment, and they are included in the search Wiki results, then what you post WILL be seen. Sure, they won't be seen with the original result, and sure, not EVERYBODY will see your comments, but if they are posted, they will be seen by those that look. So Can and Will are not truly at odds here. Bob Jenkins I’m certainly a big fan of Seth’s and this is the first time I’ve seen your blog, Corey.

I’d have to say this semantic difference is ridiculous.

In fact, Seth is correct if he said others WILL see the comments you post, because if you post a comment, and they are included in the search Wiki results, then what you post WILL be seen.

Sure, they won’t be seen with the original result, and sure, not EVERYBODY will see your comments, but if they are posted, they will be seen by those that look.

So Can and Will are not truly at odds here.

Bob Jenkins

]]> By: Corey Creed http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1885 Corey Creed Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:49:40 +0000 http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1885 Good call. We're on the same page. My one response would be that Seth Godin should hold to a higher standard and be a little more careful. This post may seem a slight bit "sensational" as you say. But I have far fewer readers than Mr. Godin. He has a huge and loyal following that believes everything he says. To prove it, the only reason I even knew about his mistake is that one of my clients (a fortune 500) wrote me an email first thing in the morning today stating that what Seth Godin wrote sounded "very interesting and could change the playing field". I need to meet with them later today. They are wondering "how this might change things and if there is anything we should prepare PPC wise or perhaps start in social media to get an advantage". Those are great questions and I look forward to discussing it with them. However, I hate to see legitimate businesses get all shaken up because of a slight error in verbiage by a very legitimate marketer. I appreciate your comments. But I still feel that Mr. Godin made a pretty big mistake that could mislead many. Good call. We’re on the same page. My one response would be that Seth Godin should hold to a higher standard and be a little more careful. This post may seem a slight bit “sensational” as you say. But I have far fewer readers than Mr. Godin. He has a huge and loyal following that believes everything he says.
To prove it, the only reason I even knew about his mistake is that one of my clients (a fortune 500) wrote me an email first thing in the morning today stating that what Seth Godin wrote sounded “very interesting and could change the playing field”.
I need to meet with them later today. They are wondering “how this might change things and if there is anything we should prepare PPC wise or perhaps start in social media to get an advantage”.
Those are great questions and I look forward to discussing it with them. However, I hate to see legitimate businesses get all shaken up because of a slight error in verbiage by a very legitimate marketer.
I appreciate your comments. But I still feel that Mr. Godin made a pretty big mistake that could mislead many.

]]> By: DazzlinDonna http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1884 DazzlinDonna Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:38:27 +0000 http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1884 I'll give you that point - CAN is a better use than WILL, however, I wouldn't be calling Seth "sensational" since, I think in this case, you'd be the pot calling the kettle black. No offense meant, but it's fairly obvious that the point of this post was to be sensational and play off of Seth's fame. Not that that's a bad thing...everyone does it all the time. It's the way these things work. But let's not be all high and mighty either and pretend we aren't doing exactly what we say others are doing, k? :) Seth didn't word it properly. You called him out on it, but got it wrong too. Maybe he was being sensational, but probably not, he was probably just not clear. You definitely were being sensational, and also didn't get it quite right. In my opinion only, of course. :) I’ll give you that point – CAN is a better use than WILL, however, I wouldn’t be calling Seth “sensational” since, I think in this case, you’d be the pot calling the kettle black. No offense meant, but it’s fairly obvious that the point of this post was to be sensational and play off of Seth’s fame. Not that that’s a bad thing…everyone does it all the time. It’s the way these things work. But let’s not be all high and mighty either and pretend we aren’t doing exactly what we say others are doing, k? :)

Seth didn’t word it properly. You called him out on it, but got it wrong too. Maybe he was being sensational, but probably not, he was probably just not clear. You definitely were being sensational, and also didn’t get it quite right. In my opinion only, of course. :)

]]> By: Corey Creed http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1883 Corey Creed Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:15:42 +0000 http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1883 Nice point, DazzlinDonna. However, given that Google works this way, the accurate statement would be: "and they CAN be seen by others" not "and they WILL be seen by others" as Seth wrote. I don't mean to be picky. But this is the most widely read blog on marketing. I think he should probably fix that. Is he looking to be sensational? All of this is just my opinion. Nice point, DazzlinDonna.

However, given that Google works this way, the accurate statement would be:

“and they CAN be seen by others”

not

“and they WILL be seen by others” as Seth wrote.

I don’t mean to be picky. But this is the most widely read blog on marketing. I think he should probably fix that. Is he looking to be sensational? All of this is just my opinion.

]]> By: DazzlinDonna http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1882 DazzlinDonna Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:07:54 +0000 http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1882 Sorry, Corey Creed, but you're wrong about Seth Godin being wrong about Google. Ok, look the reality is that perhaps Seth misunderstood something and perhaps not. Perhaps what happened is that you misunderstood what Seth was saying. See, in a sense, Seth is right, and in a sense you are too - but it depends on the context. In that same Google post - in fact in the very next sentence after the one you mention - Google says, "But SearchWiki also is a great way to share your insights with other searchers. You can see how the community has collectively edited the search results by clicking on the "See all notes for this SearchWiki" link." So, yes, they WILL be seen by others. But no, they won't AFFECT other people's searches. So, I stand by my comment that you are the one who may be wrong - not Seth. Sorry. Sorry, Corey Creed, but you’re wrong about Seth Godin being wrong about Google.

Ok, look the reality is that perhaps Seth misunderstood something and perhaps not. Perhaps what happened is that you misunderstood what Seth was saying.

See, in a sense, Seth is right, and in a sense you are too – but it depends on the context.

In that same Google post – in fact in the very next sentence after the one you mention – Google says, “But SearchWiki also is a great way to share your insights with other searchers. You can see how the community has collectively edited the search results by clicking on the “See all notes for this SearchWiki” link.”

So, yes, they WILL be seen by others. But no, they won’t AFFECT other people’s searches.

So, I stand by my comment that you are the one who may be wrong – not Seth. Sorry.

]]> By: Rob Blatt http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1881 Rob Blatt Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:58:05 +0000 http://www.thejunglemap.com/post/329#comment-1881 Here's the problem with your last sentence. He's not always right. As a matter of fact, when it comes to the internet he's usually wrong. Search for seth Godin and Click Fraud in Google and you'll see how wrong he was. Seth might be right about a lot of things, but he's generally dead wrong when it comes to business about the internet. Here’s the problem with your last sentence. He’s not always right. As a matter of fact, when it comes to the internet he’s usually wrong. Search for seth Godin and Click Fraud in Google and you’ll see how wrong he was. Seth might be right about a lot of things, but he’s generally dead wrong when it comes to business about the internet.

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